San Diego Heaven's Gate Star Trek Suicide Cult And Immortal Software
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Interesting that San Diego is not only former home to the Heaven's Gate Star Trek mass suicide cult software writers with their 'Next Level' but also the home to the military industrial complex of Level 2 well paid U.S. government tortuurs at Abu Graibe in Iraq and their Titan Corp with connections to 911 check caher for Mohamed Atta in Venice,Florida when he was an alledged flight student at Huffman Aviation at the school of Wally Hilliard close pal to Jeb Bush......Titan Corp in turn is connected to Skyway Communications penny stock fraud once bosted by Jeb Bush with Florida State contract and whose 747 airplane purchased through stock fraud against investors was caught in Mexico with tons of cocaine aboard all packed in suiutcases on the empty seats ! Titan was also the employer of Lebanese American Makram Chams whose Kwikcheck business mentioned in official 9/11 report cased checks for Mohamed Atta that were sent from terrorist money laundering Islamic state of Dubai whose dictator Mohamed Al Rashid bin Maktoum was later given 25% ownership in NASDAQ as a reward ! Makram Chams fled to Saudi Arabia immediately after 9/11 and sued his former Titan employers for $20 million from there.
Oh did I almost forget to mention that Titan Corp were U.S. government's official torturors at Abhu Graib,Iraq ?
Weirdly enough Jewish Zionist financier-con artist Carl Ichan involved and profited from the penny stock fraud Genesisintermedia with Saudi arms dealer Adnan Kashoggi and vulture fund con artist Paul Singer in Argintina debt etc.,that collapsed around 9/11 shortly after Jewish Zionist Larry Silverstein's recently insured WTC collapsed in NYC OWNS OR OWNED A LAS VEGAS HOTEL THAT HOSTED THE HEAVEN'S GATE SUICIDE CULT AND SOFTWARE WRITERS SHORTLY BEFORE THEIR ALLEGED SUICIDE IN 1997 AND ALSO DABBLED IN TITAN CORP STOCK....
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As an update I just came across an article written in the late 1990-s I believe,that discusses a CIA connection but ALSO a connectioon to S.A..IC a military industrial compny that also like Titan Corp
is located near the former home of HEAVEN'S GATE MEMBERS WHO COMMITTED SUICIDE.
American War Machine: Deep Politics, the CIA Global Drug Connection, ...
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Peter Dale Scott - 2010 - Political Science
... are hired, as illustrated by the involvement of Titan and CACI in Abu Ghraib. ... LLC and SAIC, two firms specialised in intelligence gathering and analysis.Al Gordon | LinkedIn
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Fort Worth, Texas - NETWORK ENGINEER at Apptis - Apptis
Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC) - ABU GHRAIB PRISON, Iraq Jul 2005 - Jan 2007. System Administrator / Network Engineer - Biometric ..http://www.1underground.com/Features/heavensgate8.shtml
S.A.I.C. is the company located in La Jolla CA next to Rancho Santa Fe, that controls web site addresses on the Internet through a company called Network Solutions which in turn owns InterNIC. That's the company that controls information on the World Wide Web by controlling the addresses of all sites on the Information Super Highway...
What a tangled web we are about to weave...
A good old TEXAS boy appointed to be the director of the C.I.A. bythe Carter administration, who seems to be somehow linked to cover ups of UFO information, such as MJ 12, and a little server in Minnesota called Space Star Communications that hosts the Heavens Gate web site...
The good old boy from Texas is one named B. R. Inman, the B. R. is for Bobby Ray. He was most recently in the news for withdrawing his nomination by Bill Clinton for Secretary of Defense. He claimed Bob Dole was heading a conspiracy to slander him for his connection to S.A.I.C. a San Diego based company that does a lot of work in security programs for the internet and banks! Good Old Bobby Ray is on the board of director's of S.A.I.C.as is W. A. Downing a retired General in the US Army and J. A. Welch another retired General in the US Air Force, otheralumni of S.A.I.C. include William Perry the head of the Department of Defense and Casey the former head of the C.I.A...
Bobby Ray who was the second banana at the C.I.A., also headed the N.S.A. at one time. That's the National Security Agency that also specializes in secret software to safeguard the nations secrets...
When Bobby Ray retired he went to work in Texas for some softwarecompanies that specialize in security software...
He also joined the board of S.A.I.C. along with Xerox... By the wayS.A.I.C. is C.I.A.'s. backward... All the ex spooks of the C.I.A. seem to become board directors there...
Now, Spacestar.net is owned and run by a little fellow named Ed Deppe... I hope he doesn't join the BOOT HILL list of Clinton casualties for emailing me the following letter I'm posting on theinternet for all to see...
Heaven's Gate MURDERED by the CIA!
How does the ex Director of the C. I. A., former head of National Security Agency, a retired Four Star Admiral in the Navy and one time Clinton nominee for Secretary of Defense connect to the DEATHS of Heavens Gate???His name is Bobby Ray Inman and this is how HE connects to Heavens Gate and their altered web site....
Written by J. P. Essene
Editor What's HOT!
Dateline 4/8/97
The FACT that the web site of Heavens Gate was recently altered...
Here's the proof and a bizarre connection to the C.I.A....
Since the deaths of this group, I have been writing on this site, about how something was wrong about the DEATHS of the group known as Heavens Gate...
I wrote numerous articles since March 27th about how certain pageson the groups site were recently altered and I speculated as to why...
Some pieces of the puzzle called Heavens Gate just didn't seem to fit...
Well, it seems there's a DEFINITE connection of Heavens Gate and the information on their web site that connects to the C.I.A., N.S.A., Department of Defense, a retired Admiral in the Navy, and retired Generals in the Air Force and Army plus a San Diego company called S.A.I.C. that was convicted of FRAUD!
S.A.I.C. is the company located in La Jolla CA next to Rancho Santa Fe, that controls web site addresses on the Internet through a company called Network Solutions which in turn owns InterNIC. That's the company that controls information on the World Wide Web by controlling the addresses of all sites on the Information Super Highway...
What a tangled web we are about to weave...
A good old TEXAS boy appointed to be the director of the C.I.A. bythe Carter administration, who seems to be somehow linked to cover ups of UFO information, such as MJ 12, and a little server in Minnesota called Space Star Communications that hosts the Heavens Gate web site...
The good old boy from Texas is one named B. R. Inman, the B. R. is for Bobby Ray. He was most recently in the news for withdrawing his nomination by Bill Clinton for Secretary of Defense. He claimed Bob Dole was heading a conspiracy to slander him for his connection to S.A.I.C. a San Diego based company that does a lot of work in security programs for the internet and banks! Good Old Bobby Ray is on the board of director's of S.A.I.C.as is W. A. Downing a retired General in the US Army and J. A. Welch another retired General in the US Air Force, otheralumni of S.A.I.C. include William Perry the head of the Department of Defense and Casey the former head of the C.I.A...
Bobby Ray who was the second banana at the C.I.A., also headed the N.S.A. at one time. That's the National Security Agency that also specializes in secret software to safeguard the nations secrets...
When Bobby Ray retired he went to work in Texas for some softwarecompanies that specialize in security software...
He also joined the board of S.A.I.C. along with Xerox... By the wayS.A.I.C. is C.I.A.'s. backward... All the ex spooks of the C.I.A. seem to become board directors there...
Now, Spacestar.net is owned and run by a little fellow named Ed Deppe... I hope he doesn't join the BOOT HILL list of Clinton casualties for emailing me the following letter I'm posting on theinternet for all to see...
It shows that a missing piece of the Heavens Gate puzzle, is thatthe highest levels of the US government were somehow not only neighbors of Heavens Gate nearby in Sand Diego, but they also used the same little server called spacestar.net located in Eden Prairie, Minnesota which was chosen by Heavens Gate to host their web site...
Now, it's a FACT that I reported in earlier articles, that search indexes like Alta Vista held a record of certain files from the Heavens Gate site that were posted last year...
In total the first index I ran at Alta Vista had 144 files from heavensgate.com which I indexed on March 27th 1997... I note that this index now only shows 111 files...
33 have been removed fromthe Alta Vista search index...
I also had reported, that certain key files such as the index.html file which is the first page you see at the site, was recording a different file size on the mirror sites than the file that was listed at Alta Vista's index...
I also reported that the file named letter.html (which is the groups bizarre explanation for being AGAINST SUICIDE) was also different than the one listed in the index I had run on March 27th 1997 at Alta Vista... by the way that file has now disappeared from the Alta Vista index as of 4/8/1997...
Now that heavensgate.com is back on line (Ed Deppe the owner of the server admits he took site down on March 27th 1997 see interview below) you can now view the dates that these files were modified. The very files that I had questioned in my earlier articles as to being authentic... See article below for viewing document information with your browser.
The index.html file shows it was modified on April 3rd... the group is dead so who is changing it... Ed Deppe says he can't say...
see email letter below...
Now, most importantly is the FACT that when you go to the letter.html file which is titled Our Position AGAINST SUICIDE... It shows the file was modified on March 20th 1997 or about when the group started on their voyage home...
Which is EXACTLY what I reported earlier in my articles about how files from Heavens Gate had appeared to be altered...
Now, Ed Deppe admits US government agencies have been in touch with him concerning Heavens Gate... But, he can't give specifics...
Ed Deppe says he doesn't know what S.A.I.C. is...
However, Ed Deppe admits that good old boy B. R. Inman is a client of his, so he can't release any information about his contacts with old Bobby Ray...
Now remember in Rancho Santa Fe there was another set of deaths that have been listed on the BOOT HILL file of mysterious murders that are connected to the US government and Bill Clinton...
Those mysterious deaths involve Ian Spiro and his wife and three children...
Seems Mr. Spiro of Iran Contra fame had information he was giving to a grand jury about PROMIS and the INSLAW fiasco...
That's the company connected to secret security software that was allegedly stolen by the Department of Justice... PROMIS is the name of the Software program for guarding secrets in the banking industry and INSLAW is the company that created it which was run out of business by the Justice Department...
This secret software was used to correlate data base information from many sources to make a logical thread out of it... Big Brothers' key program in tracking what ever you do...
A bunch of mysterious deaths have occurred involving all these names and I have a list at the bottom of this article that is known on the internet as the BOOT HILL list of about 50 individuals killed that are all interconnected to either the software known as PROMIS and INSLAW or other scandals involving either the Clinton administration or other branches of the US government...
Many in the internet community questioned WHY would Heavens Gate a southern California company, choose spacestar.net of Minnesota as a server...
The real question is WHY does Bobby Ray former director of the C.I.A. appear to be a client of theirs also????
I believe you can now add 39 more bodies to the BOOT HILL list and let's just see how long it takes Ed Deppe and or Bobby Ray to join the list of individuals who died from Arkancide...
That's what they call SUICIDE in Arkansas home of OLD Billy Boy the President of the United States...
Don't worry about me... I'm underground and GOD is my boss...
Just keep in mind that someone is still changing files at Heavens Gate and that everything in the media about the group from their web site was recently altered...
Oh, the tape... Can it be they were forced to say good bye by some good old boys....
Or did the group really think the ship was coming and that they were gonna walk on to it and disappear... That's what the group preached for 20 years.... They had to get ready to walk on to the Mother Ship...
Doesn't Louis Farrakhan talk about a mother ship landing here soon too...
Below is the email response from Ed Deppe...
J. P. Essene
Editor
What's HOT!
EDITORS NOTE
After 911 our Publishers offieces were raided by the FBI and CIA. Our Files were altered by the CIA and FBI erasing many articles we did. This article was rebuilt from fragmented posts in old usenet archives but the CIA has purged many of the original threads about this article. Thus far the email from Ed Deppe confirming BOBBY RAY INMAN was his client appears to have been removed from the net, yet a few old posts mentioning the information remain that didn't have the smoking gun link to the CIA.
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May 24, 2005 |
Barry Rosenstein, the hedge fund manager who joined financier Carl
Icahn in a proxy fight with Kerr-McGee Corp., acquired a 3.5% stake in
U.S. defense contractor Titan Corp. valued at about $66 million.
Rosenstein's Jana Partners bought Titan's shares in the first quarter,
months ahead of speculation that Titan may be bought by another company,
Rosenstein said in a May 20 phone interview from the fund's office in
San Francisco.
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On 9 June 2004, a group of 256 Iraqis sued CACI International and Titan Corporation (now L-3 Services, part of L-3 Communications) in US federal court.
Private Contractors and Torture at Abu Ghraib, Iraq | Democracy Now!
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HEAVENS GATE, JONESTOWN, AND MASS MEDIA FABLES ============================================== An Interview With John Judge ---------------------------- (By Sherman H. Skolnick) [...continued...] SHERMAN SKOLNICK: What do you think that this was? JOHN JUDGE: In any intelligence operation, you always go for multiple bonuses. Obviously, for some reason these people were to be murdered. Their silence had to be secured, or they wanted to use the incident as, in order to influence some kind of social policy. There were two things that were being discussed almost immediately: one was, censorship of the Internet; the other was, whether people have the right to die and whether they have a right to be assisted in the suicide. This was at the time, early on, when they were saying that Applewhite was still alive. Now they're saying that Applewhite is among the dead. But they had the I.D.s right from the beginning and it made me wonder whether Applewhite *is*, in fact, among the dead. SHERMAN SKOLNICK: In other words, Internet and euthanasia were some of the subjects put and debated by the established media. JOHN JUDGE: And the spokesperson when CNN ran these issues right from the beginning of the reporting was a person by the name of Gerald Post(sp?). And he had been on Crossfire five days before the [Heavens Gate] incident, arguing the "necessity," that "Internet was full of conspiracy theorists spreading hate and it had to be censored." His credentials that they gave were, he was a professor at George Washington University, and among the topics that he taught was a class in political psychology -- psychological operations. And this guy, Gerald Post, was much more visibly and correctly identified during the Gulf War, when he commented on CNN and other media as an *open* agent of the Central Intelligence Agency, whose specialty was domestic psychological evaluation. SHERMAN SKOLNICK: And he had a connection with Heavens Gate? JOHN JUDGE: Only in the sense that, on the first day, he was the first official spokesperson. And you have to take a close look at all the people that are commenting. Also, the story about the one person who quit the cult: "Rio" is the only name given so far that I've seen. They're hiding his identity. But he's alleged to have quit the cult 5 weeks before this happened. And then he turns up also as the person who discovers the bodies and reports it to the police. And this is classic for a provocateur. In other words, if it was an intelligence operation, he is the most suspect and they won't identify him. But he worked with this guy -- Nick Matzurkis I believe the name is? He runs some sort of a computer gaming industry. And Matzurkis also subcontracted Heavens Gate to his client, so he's involved with their business affairs. [CN: Matzurkis(sp?) received 2 computer disks in the mail from Heavens Gate around the time of the supposed mass suicide. The disks were *not* material from their supposed web site. Matzurkis has placed the disks in a bank safe deposit box and last I heard had not revealed any of the contents.] SHERMAN SKOLNICK: In other words, some of the first people that showed up in the media were known commentators on CIA domestic operations. JOHN JUDGE: Yes, there was an expert who worked for the CIA, an expert on domestic psychological operations. And the spokespeople are always important in these situations. At Jonestown, the first two national spokespeople that said it wasn't unusual that all these people killed themselves were Dr. Joly West, UCLA Neuropsychiatric Institute (part of MK-ULTRA), and also Dr. Robert J. Liston, who along with Dr. West wrote the original books about the Korean brainwashing, as a lie to cover up chemical and biological weapons used in Korea and also to establish the need of the United States to do mind control. SHERMAN SKOLNICK: So Heavens Gate may be another CIA/MK-ULTRA operation, like Jonestown. JOHN JUDGE: I believe so. I think that there's enough discrepancies in the facts. The story that this Nick Matzurkis has, that Rio spoke to him and said he thought they might be killing themselves: he said he got the message on Tuesday and alerted Matzurkis, but they didn't go down to see what's happening until Wednesday. SHERMAN SKOLNICK: Are you going to write up something? JOHN JUDGE: I am working with some other people to potentially write something about this. I believe that they were murdered. I don't believe that any group of people... Even if you could convince yourself in a rush situation, somehow, to kill yourself when there's no imminent external threat, I don't think you would keep convincing yourself over 6 or 7 days. It's quite likely that there were more people in the compound that left after the murders were done as well. SHERMAN SKOLNICK: The one who's played up these type of UFO with Hale-Bopp stories is Art Bell, who is a cousin of Warren Buffet. Warren Buffet is some type of dope/espionage person in my opinion, whose fortune is very questionable -- sort of like Robert Maxwell. JOHN JUDGE: I know that the story of the UFO following the comet, which has become part of this legend (as to what these people were doing and why they killed themselves at this time, supposedly), came from an amateur astronomer who called the Art Bell show. SHERMAN SKOLNICK: Art Bell is spread out all over, onto major radio stations that would not find your comments or mine acceptable to go on the air. And all of a sudden, Art Bell and his "UFOs in your backyard" stories are being promoted all over the place. JOHN JUDGE: I've had no media calls although I did the original work with Mae Brussell on Jonestown. I've had many calls, though, from individuals around the country, asking what I thought about the Heavens Gate situation because of the work that I have done. SHERMAN SKOLNICK: Is it also possible that because of the Clinton White House scandals escalating, that this is to make a diversion? JOHN JUDGE: There are certainly other much more important things going on, including the move by Dexter King and the King family to approach James Earl Ray, to try to re-open Ray's trial. And that was dismissed this morning on NPR by Daniel Schorr, saying that "the Kings were just feeding into a new movie by Oliver Stone." Stone *does* want to make a movie of the book, *Orders To Kill* by William Pepper, who was a civil rights activist with Dr. King. An excellent book. When you take the level of integrity and courage it took for the King family to come forward and call openly for a trial for James Earl Ray, and all you can do is smear them and dismiss, I think it borders on being racist on their [NPR's] part. We have a national campaign going on right now to petition the appeals court to act quickly: to test the rifle, to re-open the trial. We're going to have William Pepper and perhaps Dexter King at our conference here in June. And we also have a national campaign to free the 650 to 700 thousand pages of still-classified documents. The last time that there was a public statement by Coretta Scott King was in the 1970s, that she believed that there was a conspiracy in the case. And the reason it came out was that James Earl Ray's attorneys had won a remand of the case. And the press had asked the Kings what they thought. And within a two-week period, in which King's widow made that first and only statement blaming a conspiracy, two of the main family members were killed. First the brother, A.D. King, was found fully clothed behind the house, in a swimming pool, drowned. A man that didn't swim and didn't like to go in the water. SHERMAN SKOLNICK: And then King's mother was murdered. JOHN JUDGE: That's right, and then the mother was murdered in Ebeneezer Baptist by Martin Wayne Chenault(?). And they were both witnesses to the physical wounds on Dr. King. The person who did it, Chenault, was linked to a guy that called himself Abraham Israel -- he had different names he used. His real name was David Hill. He was from Cleveland, but tied to Field Marshall Cinque of the Symbionese Liberation Army. Chenault joined a group called "The Troop or the Truth." And they had a list of civil rights leaders they were going to kill. And they were programmed killers. He came out of there grinning like Arthur Bremer [convicted of attempted assassination of George Wallace], and he asked, "Did I hit anybody?" And he had a gun in his hand. They did no ballistic or autopsy work on Dr. King's mother, to find out if there had been a second assassin, whether Chenault was just a patsy in there popping the gun off to take the blame. He was put into prison, but David Hill then disappeared from Cleveland and founded something called "Hilltown," which was about 20 miles from Jonestown, in the bush in Guyana. And he claimed to have 8,000 American Indians and blacks there, and he worked to ensure elections for Forbes Burnham, the CIA plant that took over the country. SHERMAN SKOLNICK: Your coalition, the Coalition On Political Assassinations, holds conventions or conferences from time to time. JOHN JUDGE: We do an annual conference, and we also do a regional conference every year in Dallas around the anniversary of the JFK assassination, November 22nd. SHERMAN SKOLNICK: You do everything possible to keep this before the public. JOHN JUDGE: Yes, we do, although there is very definitely a press blockade of this material. Almost despite anything we do, we can't get coverage. Even an hour on C-Span would get us national attention. We have a web site, http://www.nicom.com/~copa Our e-mail address is, copa@nicom.com One of my tapes is distributed by Prevailing Winds Research. It's called "Cults, Lies, and Videotape." (Phone: 805-899-3433; Fax: 805-899-4773; BBS: 805-899-4737.) I did it two summers ago. The tape has a lot of my analysis on different cults. Many of these cults were created whole cloth and were infiltrated and are run by the government. The idea of infiltrating the occult societies as control systems goes back at least to World War II, when the Office of Naval Intelligence hired Jack Parsons and Alestair Crowley, [self-proclaimed "Beast" of Revelations]. Crowley sent his disciples into all the various cults, to infiltrate them and find out how they worked.
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