Logan Airport Boston,9/11,Menachem Atzmon,ICTS International,VeteransToday Agent Provocateurs Gilad Atzmon,Alan Sabrosky,Gordon Duff

Logan Airport Boston,9/11,Menachem Atzmon,ICTS
International,VeteransToday Agent Provocateurs Gilad Atzmon,Alan
Sabrosky,Gordon Duff

'' I don't think Gilad is Hungarian. He may or may not be related to
the Atzmon you name, but he IS related to Tzipi Livni, which he openly
states. He also is NO refugee (!!!!) in London. He went there for his
career, liked it and stayed, like many Israelis do. He owns a lot of
property there, is doing very well, so refugee is seriously the most
mistaken word you can choose. I doubt he has anything at all to do
with too many persons who will not benefit his career which is his
priority. He also is very interested in his image as "a radical
figure", so he does tend to repeat the same points he has for many
years, as he can add on a handful at a time of new fans who had not
yet heard the message in the first place. As to burning down
synagogues, that one is an old line that actually has been placed
firmly in context I don't know HOW many times in the past... he is no
threat  to Jews whatsoever. Indeed, he is judeocentric and always
keeps Jews in the centre of the discourse as if they are the most
interesting and important people on the planet. It gets tired quick,
it just took me longer to get bored with the focus on them, since I
realise they are not as important as he wishes to make them out (this
is part of the whole "I am special" thing... it would take a shrink to
really define it all correctly, or someone with a lot of time on their
hands. To the rest of us, it gets a bit redundant!)'' - quote from
Mary Rizzo former palestinianthinktank.com employee of VeteransToday's
Gilad Atzmon who has never shown remorse or even criticized his mass
murder suspect and stock fraud money laundering relative Menachem
Atzmon of ICTS International whose role in 9/11/01 LED TO THE DEATH OF
3000 PEOPLE AT THE WTC  IN NYC ! His role at Gordon Duff and Allan
Sabrosky's VeteransToday is not only an insult and fraud against
American veterans but highlights the fact that veteranstoday.com,far
from being the 'anti-Israeli' website they pretend it to be,is in fact
a site run by Jewish Israeli agent provocateurs and international
criminals and money launderers !
VeteransToday first came on my radar in early 2010 when editor and presumed
ex military Major Gordon Duff began denouncing the Israeli ICTS International
that had got away with bloody murder and stock fraud for nearly 10 for their role in allowing the two planes that hit the WTC on 9/11/01 from leaving the airport with the supposed Saudi  terrorists led by Egyptian Mohamed Atta in the first place.Now they had really blown it or so I thought at the time and would finally be 'brought to justice'.While I and others emphasized that
ICTS International was still controlled by convicted Israeli money launderer Menachem Atzmon,Major Gordon Duff remained completely silent about that fact,just like the 9/11 disinfo
'conspiracy theorist' Alex Jones always did coincidentally.It would only be recently that I would discover that both had connections to ex CIA DIA George Tenet's international money laundering pals at Agora,Inc. in Baltimore and on the world wide internet where they run their stock and investment frauds.It was in fact when Duff and Veterans Today announced that he was making Agora Inc.'s Lila Rajiva who had written a CIA approved disinfo book about Abhu Graib as well as co-authored another frauduent investment book with Agora's Bill Bonner that he disclosed to me in email communication his close ties to the corrupt ex CIA DIA George Tenet in the first place.
And the CIA does NOT represent military veterans,if anything it uses them for cannon fodder while self enriching the CIA 'employees' ! So it is sick that they continue to fraudulently pretend to represent the voice of U.S. military veterans up to this this day ! And their prostitute Sibel Edmonds who was billed by the U.S.government as a possible whistle blower is really anti-American agent saboteur of the W Bush and now Barack Barry Soetoro Obama Zionist regimes as well.Maybe now that it has been exposed that Obama-Soetoro's Kenyan uncle is in the U.S.illegally using a social security card he is not entitled to that Barack Barry Soetoro Obama's
social security number fraud will be investigated,but I doubt it.It is a shame the U.S.government and CIA allow such rabid anti-American prostitutes like Lila Rajiva who has hounded me for years because of my writing aboutr Agora Inc.,and Sibel Edmonds are allowed in the U.S.in the first place but their easy CIA approved status only shows why it was so easy for the perpetrators of 9/11 to enter with George Tenet's,et.al.'s approval.

It was a Karen Nakamura  posting on the now disappeared
palestinianthinktank of Mary Rizzo and Gilad Atzmon  who first
mentioned the term, ´´Agents Provocateurs´´,in regards to Veterans
Today and their associated Salem-News member Ken
O´Keefe although I had come to that suspicion before she uttered the
term.Her reason for doing so was in regards to O´Keef,an ex-marine
Gulf War Vet,(just like Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh
coincidentally or not)and founder and former leader in Iraq of the
so-called 'human shields' who volunteered to remain in Iraq before and
during the massive bombing and mass murder of Iraqi citizens unleashed
upon Iraqi civilians based upon the lies promoted by the Zionist
controlled  NY Times,Rupert Murdoch´s Fox News,Wolf Blitzer,et.al.'s
CNN,(that purposefully covered up Ehud Olmert's and Moshe Katzav's
involvement in stock fraud money laundering to defraud Americans)CNBC,
CBS,ABC,BBC and the mass media in general under the control
of the elite war criminals and profiteers whose lies were the basis
for the mass murder of Iraqi and in the end the near or complete
holocaust or culturacide of Aramaic Christians that unlike the U.S.
and the UK War Lords and the Rothschild and Israeli Zionists,Saddam
Hussein protected and gave important positions in Iraqi society and
government.Iraqi Christian diplomat now languishing away in some
dungeon under Shiite and 'Coaltion' forces control is a testament to
that fact,while the U.S.and NATO fascists of Europe have
'democratically' established an Islamic Shiite fundamentalist state
where Saddam's much more secular Iraqi government had once ruled.
Just as all those that the U.S. government and military complex have always
supported in the Middle East have been Islamic, or in the case of Israel,Zionist
fascist religio-police states.No one the U.S.has encouraged any 'Arab spring' in
Saudi Arabia,Kuwait or Dubai even though all 3 of those countries,like
Israel,had,or their citizens or governments had,some role in 911 and
thus the mass murder of 3000 people on American soil 10 years ago.
Veterans Today members have lied continually to readers as if they
think it's cute and add facts just to further confuse.The term agent
provocateurs easily comes to mind because all involved at
VeteransToday.com have some government or military past even though
the use of the term 'veterans' is a deceptive lie.And some who are
billed as veterans like Gilad Atzmon is an Israeli ex soldier and even
then from Israel's financial Zionist elite.He has stated that bombing
a synagogue might not be a bad idea.Also Veterans Today's Alan
Sabrosky whose father or mother has European Jewish heritage has
stated that 911 was an Israeli planned terrorist attack,(which is greatly
true in light of both participants and beneficiaries),and that "Israel
should be scrubbed off the face of this Earth" .I believe in light of
the fact that Veterans Today is dominated in great part by writers
with Jewish family histories as well as U.S. and foreign military
intelligence ties that they are indeed agent provocateurs who should
be warned against.Due to Gordon Duff's connections with ex CIA DIA
George Tenet and CIA and international stock fraud money laundering
operation  Agora Inc. of Baltimore with James Dale Davidson, Bill
Bonner,Porter Stansberry,UK Lord William Rees-Mogg,Steve Forbes,Ron
Paul,Lila Rajiva,Alex Jones,Bud Burrell et.al. - I know he is a
professional.liar and money launderer and cowardly scumbag only
interested in filling his own offshore accounts.He brags of being a
bank or adviser to the 'banking industry' but never discloses just
what bank or banks he 'advises'.
........................................................
On setting fire to synagogues, Gilad Atzmon:
Re: Congress, AIPAC-Israel and 9/11
“I’m not going to say whether it is right or not to burn down a
synagogue, I can see that it is a rational act.”
.............................
It may be that VeteransToday's and   US Army War College's Alan
Sabrosky's threts to murder innocent  Israeli citizens which I believe
like Gilad Atzmon's statement about bombing a synagogue and
VeteransToday's and Gulf War Veteran Ken 0'Keefe's leading the human
shields movement in Iraq and his actions as a Palestinian anti-Gaza
blockade activist are all acts of U.S.government agent
provocateurs,has been removed from youtube in order to protect the
guilty.All of those phony macho posers and particularly money thief
and launderer Gordon Duff whose pal Bud Burrell an ex Viet Nam war
criminal and money launderer for the UK Rothschild CRIME FAMILY ARE
ALL LYING COWARDS.:
Former Director US Army War College Alan Sabrosky: "Israel should be
scrubbed off the face of this Earth" 100% mossad operation

http://youtu.be/EVxyTnv-lhc
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I have heard the rumor repeated over and over in comments from readers
on veterantoday Gordon Duff's posts there that his mother is or was
Jewish.In other circumstances this would mean little,that that more
than likely she was a woman whose ancestors came from some place in
Eastern Europe and that they were white and NOT OF 'SEMITIC'
ORIGEN,which is the case of the majority of those who erroneously call
themselves Jewish today.He's as white as Snow White.
Perhaps Snow White was part of a Zionist 'sleeper cell' for all I know
cause just about all 'Jews' I've met look like their ancestors
suffered Vitamin D deficiency in their northern agrarian past and thus
could never have originated in Palestine or Israel or anywhere in the
Middle East regardless of what their families religious mythologies
'taught' them in the first place.But it is important to the question
of whether or not he is an agent provocateur using his anti-Israel or
even anti-Jewish tirades to deceive and manipulate his audience in the
same way Alex Jones does to lead people away from Zionist
perpetrators of 911,particularly Menachem Atzmon's ICTS International
that 'guarded' Logan Airport Boston on 911.Gordon Duff got on his
Veterans Today soapbox after ICTS allowed Mutallab,the Islamic
Nigerian 'crotch bomber' to board flight 253 from Schiphol Airport
Amsterdam to Detroit on Christmas 2009 but carefully ommited to
mention Gilad Atzmon's relative Menachem Atzmon's role in both 911
Logan Airport as well as his continued control of ICTS International
and or ICTS Europe on Christmas 2009!
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/07/27/secret-terror-the-price-of-ignorance/
MUSTBE DESPERATE ON THE 26. OCT, 2010 REMARKED #
Wow, Gordon, you must have struck a ‘nerve’ to have the zionists
calling you a ‘jew’ and hence, a disinformation agent of Israel....
Keep up the good work, Gordon. I now and then take issue with things
you say but though I had heard you have a jewish mother, it would
never occur to me to lay that on you as a means to diminish your
message.
Perlman, aka Gadahn, and whatever other names that Rita Katz might
call him, is a MOSSAD asset.
Israel has one purpose. To destroy what is left of the United States.
It’s like the parasite that has used up the host and now wants to EAT
IT.
when it gets so bad that these a-holes have to use your jewish lineage
against you, you know you’ve struck a nerve.
Thanks for your work! By the way, if I am in error about your mom
being jewish, it does not matter. You’ve proven yourself to be far
from a zionist in your writings. Far from the one propaganda shill
who’s financially propped up by Rita Katz and her zionist jew network
of bansters…who won’t touch 9/11 truth with a ten foot yarmulke.
.................................

The Heretics' Hour: Gordon Duff, Prescott Bush and the interview ...
6 Dec 2010 – this Gordon Duff character did not hang up because you
did not “know” enough, .... It's no secret that Duff is at least 1/4
Jewish, from his mother. ...
http://reasonradionetwork.com/20101206/the-heretics-hour-gordon-duff-prescott-bush-and-the-interview-that-wasnt
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http://www.zundelsite.org/english/zgrams/zg2002/2002-August/000011.html
Remember that brief story of the "second 9/11 whistleblower", Sibel
Edmonds, a Jewish woman who was approached by another member of the
Tribe in an attempt to recruit her for nefarious ends, and who went
to the FBI, reporting the entire story?
...............................
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibel_Edmonds

The daughter of an Azerbaijani doctor,[4][5] Edmonds lived in Iran and
then Turkey before coming to the United States as a student[2] in
1988. Fluent in Turkish, Persian, English and Azerbaijani,[2][6]
Edmonds earned her bachelor's degree in criminal justice andpsychology
from George Washington University[2] and her master's in public policy
and international commerce from George Mason University.[6]
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(I will  try to add and  further improve this blog post with time and
of course anyone mentioned here is welcome to comment..- Tony Ryals)

It appears that Zionist in drag or sheeps clothing and agent
provocateur,Israeli Gilad Atzmon,who is part of Jewish Zionist Israeli
provocateurs of CIA DIA George Tenet connected Gordon Duff's,et.al.'s
veteranstoday.com was paying for Miss Mary Rizzo's 'pro-Palestinian'
website all along.And this group of stock fraudsters and money
launderers posing as concerned American veterans has a number of
mirror websites such as Salem-News and one with the title 'Palestine'
in it as well to replace Gilad's and Mary Rizzo's closed palestinian
think  tank' website.They have also added some scam 'business' website
touting gold to their repertoire just like their and George Tenet's
CIA  pals at Agora Inc,Bill Bonner,James Dale Davidson,Porter
Stansberry,UK Lord or Lard William Rees-Mogg,et.al.
And Major 'bankster' Gordon Duff who has never disclosed which bank or
banks he has been a consultant or adviser or whatever for,is connected
to a Mr.Bud Burrell who has threatened my life which goes to show just
what a 'good' and 'patriotic' scumbag he is.And Bud Burrel in turn is
connected to ex African American FBI agent Don Clarke who was in
charge of the Achilles Lauro cruise ship high jacking of a boat full
of Jews in the 1980's, I believe it was,as well as the WTC bombing in
1993 that involved FBI agent provocateurs that he covered up for.And
as head of the San Antonio FBI office as a reward for his corruption
where he met corrupt Houston attorneys John O'Quinn and Wes Christian
and along with Duff's pal who threatens my life,Bud Burrell.They
both began to lie for O'Quinn and Christian as  'experts' on so-called
'naked short selling',a term used by right wing Beltway and CIA
connected criminals to distract from illegal stock manipulation and
money laundering with stock shares.Duff's pal Bud Burrell is also
connected to a Rothschild attorney named Greystock of the UK AND NO
DOUBT BOTH GORDON DUFF AND UK ISRAELI AGENT PROVOCATEUR GILAD ATZMON
WHO IS A  RELATIVE OF MASS MURDER SUSPECT AND ISRAELI M,ONEY LANDERER
MENACHEM ATZMON AS WELL AS ISRAELI RIGHT WING POLITICIAN AND TERRORIST
TZIPI LIVNI.The family connection to 9/11 murderer Menachem Atzmon is
obvious,there aren't many Atzmons either in Israel or Hungary or the
U.S.or Russia.
It was Mary Rizzo who told me of VeteransToday's Gilad Atmon's family
connections to Tzipi Livni before she and he shut their
palestinetodaythinktank down.
Veterans Today's Gordon Duff was careful not to mention Menachem
Atzmon's name when he decided to use
the Christmas 2009 flight 253  incident to show case just how anti
Israeli he is.He left my comments up for a while after his early 20010
tirade against ICTS International that added Menachem Atzmon as
integral to any mention of ICTS International's crimes.Then he quietly
deleted all mention of VeteranToday's relative Menachem Atzmon.I
wonder why ?
Gordon Duff's pal Bud Burrel l is also connected to Utah  Moron
Republican Jon Huntsman Jr. who was governor of Utah and also lied
about stocks being 'naked shorted' for spoiled Geico billionaire's son
Patrick Byrne who sponsored thesanitycheck.com,(I kid you not),where
Bud Burrell issed his death threats to me until I got it closed down
by changing my name with U.S.Guatemala Ambasador Stephen G 
McFarland's name and posted it to the internet.The threat to McFarland
from Burrel is still Gordon Duff's pal Bud Burrell is also connected to Christian
Financial Radio Network that colluded with offshore boiler rooms to defraud
American and British investors and send their money to their own
offshore accounts that probably included Israel ! And besides
claiming-lying recently that Israel didn't want to mass murder Libyans
and that's why we should be in favor of doing so ! Anyone who would do
the things Gordon Duff does or collide with him are themselves lying
cheating cowards.
Based upon Gordon Duff's disclosures to me that he has a direct line
of communication  or 'speed dial' to ex CIA DIA George Tenet who
helped pull off 9/11 or at the very least helped  cover it up for W
Bush and Dick Cheney and their Zionista crime family,at the very
least,and this led to untold numbers of permanently wounded and
crippled and dead American veterans,I consider the use of the word
veterans in the title to sick and I'm just an American who has never
been a veteran.
And Gilad Atzmon who bills himself as an anti-Zionist Israeli or Jew
and who writes for Veterans Today has never publicly admitted or
denounced his family connection to the
Atzmons or Israel and particularly to Menachem Atzmon who is the CEO
of ICTS International whose Huntleigh airport rent-a-cops 'guarded'
Logan Airport in Boston on 9/11/01 in the first place that led not
only to the 3000 dead at the NYC WTC on that day but also to the
untold numbers of dead and wounded Americans soldiers as a result !
Those are the scumbags who write for Veterans Today while pretending
to be anti-Israeli government veterans !
The blog with link below is still in progress and unfinished,
however Mary Rizzo who ran the palestinianthinktank.com with Gilad
Atzmon acknowledges that he is related to Tzipi Livni but somehow
never knew or deducted that Veterans Today's Gilad Atzmon is perhaps
even more closely related to Israeli mass murderer and convicted money
launderer Menachem Atzmon whose ICTS International  was the main cause
of the deaths of 9/11 and consequent deaths and wounding of thousands
of U.S.veterans in the first place and war profits for Israel and
their treasonous stooges within the U.S.government that includes many
associated with Veterans Today !
I wonder if the scumbag ex DIA George Tenet is a veteran ? I doubt it.
http://wolfblitzzer0.blogspot.com/2011/08/logan-airport-boston911menachem.html
Logan Airport Boston,9/11,Menachem Atzmon,ICTS
International,VeteransToday Agent Provocateurs Gilad Atzmon,Alan
Sabrosky,Gordon Duff
'' I don't think Gilad is Hungarian. He may or may not be related to
the Atzmon you name, but he IS related to Tzipi Livni, which he openly
states. He also is NO refugee (!!!!) in London. He went there for his
career, liked it and stayed, like many Israelis do. He owns a lot of
property there, is doing very well, so refugee is seriously the most
mistaken word you can choose. I doubt he has anything at all to do
with too many persons who will not benefit his career which is his
priority. He also is very interested in his image as "a radical
figure", so he does tend to repeat the same points he has for many
years, as he can add on a handful at a time of new fans who had not
yet heard the message in the first place. As to burning down
synagogues, that one is an old line that actually has been placed
firmly in context I don't know HOW many times in the past... he is no
threat to Jews whatsoever. Indeed, he is judeocentric and always keeps
Jews in the centre of the discourse as if they are the most
interesting and important people on the planet.
- - quote from Mary Rizzo former palestinianthinktank.com employee of
VeteransToday's Gilad Atzmon
......
Also Pakistan's General Hamid Gul who Gordon Duff, et.al., proudly
announced as a new VeteransToday.com 'journalist' on their staff a
while back has been fingered as a possible anti-American terrorist
involved in the deaths of American soldiers in Afghanistan !I'd say
the scumbag money launderer Gordon Duff who is in turn connected to
Bud Burrell, who is in turn connected to Rothschild stock fraud money
laundering attorney Andrew Greystock and has made threats against my
life,should be sued for fraud by American veterans for purposefully
using the term veterans to promote his own military political agenda
and distract from his own true criminal activities.It has been claimed
that CMKX Diamonds penny stock fraud of Bud Burrell actually defrauded
American military men or soldiers.That should be investigated as well.
Np wonder Gordon Duff,who claims the U.S.Constitution should be
replaced with the British legal system, and Israeli con artist and
probably securities criminal Gilad Atzmon are such big Anglophiles
when you consider their connections to
international money launderers with Rothschild connections like Bud
Burrell and Andrew Greystock.In fact now that I think about it - it
was or is the Rothschild financial crime
family that helped finance Gilad Atzmon relative,Menachem Atzmon and
his ICTS International, that started the chain reaction that led to
9/11 from the Boston Logan Airport on 9/11/01 in the first place !
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GENERAL HAMID GUL, FORMER HEAD OF ... - Veterans Today
www.veteranstoday.com/2010/08/04/general-hamid-gul-former-head-of-pakistans-isi-joins-veterans-today/
4 Aug 2010 – Veterans Today (www.veteranstoday.com) is pleased to
announce the appointment of Lt. General Hamid Gul, former head of
Pakistan's ISI ...
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http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,708592,00.html
Leaked Afghan War Documents
Former Pakistan ISI Chief Gul Denies US Accusations

The name Hamid Gul appears more often than virtually any other in the
almost 92,000 classified American documents leaked this week.The
former Pakistani general and head of the country's ISI intelligence
service from 1987 until 1989 is regarded as someone who has a lot of
sympathy for the Taliban's fight against the United States and its
allies. In previous interviews with SPIEGEL and SPIEGEL ONLINE, he has
said that Sharia, or Islamic law, should be introduced as a generally
applicable legal system in Pakistan as well, not just in
Afghanistan......
But the 91,731 Afghanistan documents published on the WikiLeaks
Internet platform and analyzed by SPIEGEL, the Guardian and the New
York Times suggest that Gul is more than just a garrulous old man. If
the accusations are true, Gul isn't just an ally of the Taliban in
spirit, but is also supplying them with weapons and thereby actively
taking part in the fight against Western forces. Gul is effectively
being accused of being an important helper of the Taliban, and
possibly even one of their leaders....
According to the logs obtained by Wikileaks, he is believed to have
supplied munitions to insurgents and maintained contacts with
high-ranking veterans -- not only within the Taliban, but also from
al-Qaida and the notorious Haqqani network, the groups Washington
considers to be the deadliest threats to US soldiers in Afghanistan
today.

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There is a new comment on the post "Karen Nakamura - The Question of
Agents Provocateurs".
http://palestinethinktank.com/2011/01/03/karen-nakamura-the-question-of-agents-provocateurs/


Author: Mary Rizzo
Comment:
Tony, there is so much JUNK in your comment, I wouldn't know where to
begin. I will state a couple of things though that might help you out
of your confusion. I used to be very close to Atzmon, but our
friendship ended due to personality conflicts (I hate bossy people who
at 9 am tell you one thing and at 9.30 are bitching at you because you
haven't done the opposite of what they wanted... I can't keep up with
that kind of personality. He was once a very funny and amiable person,
but when he gets irritable, he is too unpleasant and life is short
enough without people bossing you around. I wanted out and I
especially wanted to be far away from a person who hung out with a
person who was a known informant, though he insisted it could not be
true, but I'd trust a Palestinian from Palestine before I would an
Israeli from Israel any day of the week.) I also have avoided writing
about him entirely, though folks have asked and asked and a lot of
interesting stories have arisen out of people's speculation! However,
I have read about 3 pieces by him in the past year, so I don't know
what he's saying or writing these days. I can't imagine it's that much
different! I can only say one thing; I ran accidentally into a comment
of his that made me laugh out loud at how he views his "departure"
from this site, and sooner or later, hope he will come to terms with
the truth and facts, though it seems all of that is a variable in a
lot of activists' worlds.
1) I don't think Gilad is Hungarian. He may or may not be related to
the Atzmon you name, but he IS related to Tzipi Livni, which he openly
states. He also is NO refugee (!!!!) in London. He went there for his
career, liked it and stayed, like many Israelis do. He owns a lot of
property there, is doing very well, so refugee is seriously the most
mistaken word you can choose. I doubt he has anything at all to do
with too many persons  who will not benefit his career which is his
priority. He also is very interested in his image as "a radical
figure", so he does tend to repeat the same points he has for many
years, as he can add on a handful at a time of new fans who had not
yet heard the message in the first place. As to burning down
synagogues, that one is an old line that actually has been placed
firmly in context I don't know HOW many times in the past... he is no
threat to Jews whatsoever. Indeed, he is judeocentric and always keeps
Jews in the centre of the discourse as if they are the most
interesting and important people on the planet. It gets tired quick,
it just took me longer to get bored with the focus on them, since I
realise they are not as important as he wishes to make them out (this
is part of the whole "I am special" thing... it would take a shrink to
really define it all correctly, or someone with a lot of time on their
hands. To the rest of us, it gets a bit redundant!)
2) I don't think he writes for Veteran's Today. Like all the sites
that publish him, he sends out a copy to everyone on his mailing list
and some insert them all and also credit him as editor or contributor.
He only puts stuff (or has someone put it for him) on his personal
site. He was at one time an extremely close friend and also a
co-founder of this site and editor/contributor. This means, after
discussing his ideas and the news for a while each day on the phone
with me, he'd then write a version of it which I would clean up and
edit. If my changes were acceptable, he'd say, good. I'd find artwork,
fact check, link test, etc., format it, give it a title, set it up,
circulate it, get it sent for translation, then it would go elsewhere.
He does not ever like to credit things that people give to him, (he
thinks he deserves it, I suppose) and I even saw him once claim credit
for the name of his spoof band, The Promised Band, which I thought of,
and he did not even blush when people were complimenting him at how
clever that was. It seems he tends to take a lot of stuff and then
assimilate it and believe it actually is his own invention. He's a
good musician, at times can be funny, but let's say, sometimes his
best lines come from other people....
At a certain point, I stopped wanting to do all that free work for
various reasons, which you can maybe begin to understand..., and
Haitham and I asked him to be more cooperative with the group effort
or leave. He has been saying he left due to lack of shared political
ideas, but that's bunk. It was that he didn't want to accept the 3
tiny conditions we gave because I was fed up with his constant
bitching: 1) find someone else to do the actual editing work, since I
had no time or interest for it anymore, at least in the short term, as
I was physically ill, 2) circulate once a month any article by anyone
except himself, 3) stop insulting people on comments because as the
person moderating them, I could not accept his name calling of
commenters and block others from doing the same to him. He said (even
though a normal editor would actually realise these conditions were
the bare minimum to cooperate with other busy people who also wanted
to focus on their own writing and promoting some more writers and
translate more Palestinian writers) "I don't take conditions!" so, we
dropped him. We later "hid" his articles and kept them stored in
archives along with all the comments because he started to publish
them without crediting PTT, which we told him was not correct and
could not be accepted. So, that is the Gilad Story with PTT.
As an Israeli, he has a right to invent his own narrative like "he
left due to the political differences", as actually, this site has
always been the same and it's pretty clear to anyone who does not have
a weird agenda: ie., it's Patriotic to Palestinen, Arab Nationalist,
accepts the primacy of the Palestinian voice, critical of anyone in
activism who is making their work "the Solidarity Industry" (making
money or fame off of the misery of another people), intolerant of
gatekeepers, respectful of the diversity of Palestinian society,
(secular, religious, socialist, whatever, it does not matter one iota,
as long as the persons support and seek the full ROR and liberation
from zionist occupation, they will have space to be heard here and to
have their thoughts freely expressed and discussed, no matter how
critical of any other faction or party. Palestinian society is diverse
and varied, and this is how it will remain. Discussion and dissent is
encouraged at all times, not gatekept or punished.
Discussion on a site like this allows anyone to freely hold any
particular religious belief, because it doesn't matter what someone
believes unless they use it as a wedge to divide. Gilad himself
started telling me it was fine to have religious people express, but I
should "shut up" on my own views, since in his mind it would drive
Palestinians away if they were not getting the lip service about
Islam, also culminating in him promoting some "Muslim scholar" also
famous for pimping the Iraq war!! That was unacceptable, though we
allowed it... PTT was not gatekeeping one of its editors.
But PTT can't support admitting any kind of intolerance to people's
beliefs. I respect those who believe, just as I expect those who
believe to respect my own beliefs! Any gatekeeping of that kind is not
acceptable and this was also a position shared by my contacts who are
actually DOING resistance in Lebanon and Palestine. They saw the whole
thing as his sucking up and asked me what that was about. I could only
shrug my shoulders. I only hope he has grown out of his drive to feed
a culture clash since nobody but the neocons and the fanatics want it.
He invented the narrative that he left and asked us to remove his
content. well, "If it makes you happy, Gilad! say what you want. We
know the truth and so do you!" <we have all the emails>
3) VT is an odd combination of people, let me just say that. Some are
ok, they seem ok, others I have no idea about. They are American
Patriots, so what they print will reflect that, obviously. If they are
now busy slamming Wikileaks, I don't know what to say.. I haven't seen
any evidence, just speculation, but I don't read that site, I find it
pretty useless and repetitive. Some writers there, though, I've had
some good discussions with and consider as friendly acquaintances. My
personal radar though happened about a year ago, long before they
started to attack me -if they are, I actually haven't checked, and if
Salem News attacks me, I laugh. They have published some junk pieces
that can line a litter box for how full they are of bad (and I mean
BAD) journalism, with zero due diligence, zero fact checking (even a
title they had to change because they don't check a basic fact... That
the editor gets angry when I mention he was embedded, says it all.. HE
is the guy who admits it, it's evidently fine with him). But VT has
Jeff Gates (who also contributes here... but I am reading his stuff
with a fine tooth comb these days) who actually had endorse his book
that looked like it came out of the Republican Party Economic Plan no
less that Amitai Etzioni. So, if a person writes a book on the Jewish
lobby and has Etzioni pimp his previous book, can I rightly assume he
really is as up to scratch on the lobby as he wants us to believe? I
dunno... maybe he is? All I can say is, my antennae went up a few
notches.
4) the word Goyim is used by Jews to mean "non-Jews"... I don't
understand your fit you are having over it.
5) I have decided, there is no such thing as an ex-mil who is REALLY
ex. Some have an agenda, I am still trying to figure out what it is. I
do know that every single one of them KNOW things they dare not
actually state, such as what daddy does for a living and how this
impacts REALLY the Palestinians. Things like that I hope one day they
can really look in the mirror and say... I should have done what my
heart prevented me from doing, but I didn't... family and tribe came
first. I hope I can be forgiven for being such a fake.
but I don't count on it.
Just like I don't believe any real narcissist has a grasp on how
others do see him, and that is what makes it actually rather
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Mary Rizzo,
Thanks for the feedback.Paradoxical that I have always gotten along
well with my fellow Americans of Jewish origens even long before I put
together the fact that although I hardly discussed religion with
them,they were NOT 'semites'.In fact regardless of how many jews
died in Europe,it is erroneous to claim any significant amount of Euro
Jews have any semitic origen.I still think the Atzmon name has a
Hungarian origen but I could be wrong.One of my favorite
writers,Arthur Koestler,was Hungarian Jewish though I believe his
family emigrated late into Hungary from another Eastern European
country.Yes I am amazed he would have never discusesed his famliy
history with you which has everything to do with all this religious
and racial apartheid that is IsraHell.
But on reading the story about him in Haaretz his right wing nut
Zionista family sound like just the kind of home environment that
created Menachem Atzmon of ICTS International who I personally see
right up there with any high ranking Nazi of WWW II era..
And your description of Gilad fits my perception of a well connected
Israeli in London,not one who is really ostracized by his fellow
Israelis,especially the far right.
Gilad was indeed officially announced as a writer for Gordon 'got
George Tenet on speed dial' Duff shortly after Lila Rajiva who I have
been dueling with for years over her involvement with stock fraud
money launderers of Agora Inc which has both a CIA as well as a George
Tenet connection.So again it appears that Gilad is naive beyond all
belief or he is knowingly putting his name and approval on a group
Veterans Today,with both a George Tenet connection but also a stock
fraud connection which really pisses me of because stock fraud and
corporate espionage is what allowed his relative Menachem to buy
Huntleigh and the contracts out on Logan and Newark airports pre
9/11.Below is Gilad's first post as a writer for Veterans Today.If
they are saying all Russian,Israeli,German or American soldiers or
officers are better than us who chose not to 'serve' then to heil with
them.They are all chicken hawk stock fraudsters as for as I can tell.
Also Lila Rajiva is not the only alleged Indian female that I have
locked horns with.Hee Hee Ther is also Asra Nomani who was the WSJ
reporter and friend of Daniel Pearl when he was beheaded in
Pakistan.You would just have to google her name with mine to see that
the Pearl incident in Pakistan that she is covering up for Israel,has
both a Richard Reid 'the UK shoebomber' connection but also an ICTS
International thus Menachem Atzmon connection !In fact Asra Nomani is
one of the only 'Muslims' I know of who was iven VIP treatment in
Israel besides Richard Reid the shoe bomber.
Oh I know I drum on and on but did you know that Gen. Hamid Gul of
Pakistan is also part of the Veterans Today and while he pretends to
want to get to the bottom of 911 and that 'the Israelis did it all',he
seems very linked to some of the very terrorist actions that may
really endanger the lives of U.S.soldiers that one would think Duff
and Gilad Atzom would want to distance themselves from and
yet.......Also Gilad Atzmon and Veterans Today may give us who have
been researching it for years in our different but honest ways,a bad
rep or rap....
Tony Ryals
Gilad Atzmon: Milton Friedman's 'Capitalism and the Jews ...
18 hours ago by Gilad Atzmon
This post was mentioned on Twitter by Jeff Rense and Veterans Today.
Veterans Today said: Post Edited: Gilad Atzmon: Milton Friedman's
'Capitalism and the Jews' Revisited http://bit.ly/hBipGD [...] ...
http://www.veteranstoday.com/
Hamid Gul Among The “Retired” Pakistani ISI Generals Who Endorse ...
26 Dec 2010 by mah29001
Say…isn't Hamid Gul also quite close to 9/11 “Truthers” like Alex
Jones and Jew-hating websites like VeteransToday.com which lies to
suggest Israel is behind Islamic terrorism and al-Qaeda? Why is their
friend Hamid Gul ...
http://mah29001.wordpress.com/
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SIBEL EDMONDS
Blowing the Whistle on Sibel Edmonds « The Equal Party Blog
http://equalpartyusa.wordpress.com/2010/06/26/blowing-the-whistle-on-sibel-edmonds/
Sibel Edmonds, Whistleblower
Not In A League Of Her Own
Sibel Edmonds is perhaps our most famous American whistleblower since
Daniel Ellsberg. Right?
Sibel Edmonds says she was “born in Iran” in 1970 yet is “from Turkey
originally.” Her Azerbaijani father was a high level doctor in Iran.
However, in her deposition of 8 Aug. 2009, she said she “was always a
Turkish citizen because my parents were Turkish.” By the age of 18,
she had lived about seven years in Iran and 11 years in Turkey. She
graduated from high school in Istanbul, Turkey, in 1988. Then she
received her higher education in a college and two universities in and
around Washington DC. That’s expensive. Who paid for that? She married
Matthew Edmonds, apparently an American, in 1992, and then worked from
1993 in Russia for the Rostropovich-Vishnevskaya Foundation (RVF).
Foundation
Mstislav Rostropovich was a famous cellist whose career looks like
that of a successful spy, likely double-agent, for Russia and the USA
(both of which supply the intell to the Rothschilds. If you don’t know
that yet, well, you’re welcome). He was born to Russian parents in
Azerbaijan (a major oil and gas producer on the Caspian Sea). If we
are to believe his bio on Wikipedia, the fabulous musician invited the
famous dissident Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn to hide in his home in 1970;
he was a friend of both Boris Yeltsin and Vladmir Putin; and he was an
ambassador for UNESCO. Plus this: President Ronald Reagan gave him the
U.S. Medal of Freedom.Foundation
Mstislav Rostropovich was a famous cellist whose career looks like
that of a successful spy, likely double-agent, for Russia and the USA
(both of which supply the intell to the Rothschilds. If you don’t know
that yet, well, you’re welcome). He was born to Russian parents in
Azerbaijan (a major oil and gas producer on the Caspian Sea). If we
are to believe his bio on Wikipedia, the fabulous musician invited the
famous dissident Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn to hide in his home in 1970;
he was a friend of both Boris Yeltsin and Vladmir Putin; and he was an
ambassador for UNESCO. Plus this: President Ronald Reagan gave him the
U.S. Medal of Freedom.
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While Sibel Edmonds has never mentioned anything that I have been able
to find regarding her growing up in Islamic countries and her parents
religion or views on religion we must assume she grew up as a very
priviledged girl and woman considering her father's employment as a
doctor for the Sha of Iran,and thus a very right wing elite
environment.My first real disillusuionment with her came when she used
Veteran Today to joke about TSA and Janet Napolitano's draconion post
Chrismtas 2009 crackdoen - NOT UPON ICTS INTERNATIONAL WHO ALLOWED
NIGERIAN ISLAMIC CROTCH BOMBER TO BOARD FLIGHT 253 FROM SCHIPHOL
AIRPORT AMSTERDAM TO DETROIT AND WHO HAS ALLOWED THE HIGHJACKING OF
PLANES FROM LOGAN AIRPORT ON 9/11/01 AS WELL AS OTHER SECURITY SLIPS
IN BETWEEN.-Yet Sibel didn't even mention these plain and simple facts
that allowed Homeland Security Jew and Zionist Janet Napolitano to
foister her Homeland Security Czar predecessors Israeli security
clients upon us once again ! Whether she is Jewish or not as is hintrf
by some or related to the Turkish politician or both,it is clear that
she is a privedged liar and prostitute for the very perpetraitors of
9/11 and war crimes that she claims to whistleblow against !
http://www.zundelsite.org/english/zgrams/zg2002/2002-August/000011.html
"Whistleblower Number Two resurfaces..."
Remember that brief story of the "second 9/11 whistleblower", Sibel
Edmonds, a Jewish woman who was approached by another member of the
Tribe in an attempt to recruit her for nefarious ends, and who went
to the FBI, reporting the entire story?

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Re: Road to Hope Ken o'keefe ,human shields iraq veteranstoday , fraud
On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Tony Ryals <wolfblitzzer0@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ken O'Keefe's photos aboard the MV Strofades IV
>
> http://palestinethinktank.com/2010/12/10/ken-okeefes-photos-aboard-the-mv-strofades-iv/
>
>
> # Karen Nakamura on December 16th, 2010 at 19:04:
>
> When I read Mary's account of it left me shaken.
> Ken's actions are just too extreme to be granted a leadership position.
> 1) He had no right to take control of operations. If he didn't like
> the leadership he should have taken it to higher ups and debated why
> the leadership should be replaced or form another flotilla.
> 2) He's a loose canon and doesn't analyze his actions pass the moment.
> This is shown by testimony from others respected in the movement. He's
> saying Greta Berlin doesn't know what she's doing?
> 3) The only way to help the Palestinians is to have good relations
> with officials whose countries the aid has to pass through. He
> violated that trust time and again.
> 4)This is a dangerous undertaking. He ignores that. He's either
> seeking fame or has alternative motives. While he calls everyone else
> Israelis spies, maybe he's one himself? Agent provocateurs are not
> uncommon. That needs to be examined too.
>
>
> Road to Hope site
>
> Robin on December 24th, 2010 at 15:35:
>
> Ukrainian Foreign Ministry spokesman Oleksandr Dykusarov has said."A
> group of members from the pro-Palestinian organization Road to Hope
> boarded the ship during unloading operations in the Libyan port of
> Derna on November 10. The vessel was blocked. Among the attackers are
> the citizens of Britain, Morocco and Algeria. They said that a cargo
> of humanitarian aid, which they planned to load, was intended for the
> Palestinians, but no preliminary agreements were reached with the
> ship's owner in this regard," he said.Dykusarov said that since Libyan
> port police officers and law enforcers had not provided effective
> assistance in resolving the conflict, the captain of the ship, a
> Ukrainian citizen, had brought the ship out of the port at the order
> of the ship's owner, with Libyan policemen and unauthorized
> persons remaining on board.
>
> http://www.ukrainians.ca/hot/30232-ukrainian-sailors-from-strofades-iv-become-hostages-to-conflict-in-middle-east.html
>
> Note the statement: NO PRELIMINARY AGREEMENTS WERE REACHED WITH THE
> SHIP OWNER IN THIS REGARD
>
> This statement was issued by a spokesman from the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry
>
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> Ukrainian sailors from Strofades IV become hostages to conflict in
> Middle East     PDF     Print   E-mail
> newsflash
> Wednesday, 17 November 2010 03:30
>
> KYIV, November 17 /UKRINFORM/. Ten Ukrainian sailors, the crewmembers
> of the Strofades IV, a Maltese-flagged cargo vessel, have in fact
> become hostages to a conflict in the Middle East, Ukrainian Foreign
> Ministry spokesman Oleksandr Dykusarov has said."A group of members
> from the pro-Palestinian organization Road to Hope boarded the ship
> during unloading operations in the Libyan port of Derna on November
> 10. The vessel was blocked. Among the attackers are the citizens of
> Britain, Morocco and Algeria. They said that a cargo of humanitarian
> aid, which they planned to load, was intended for the Palestinians,
> but no preliminary agreements were reached with the ship's owner in
> this regard," he said.Dykusarov said that since Libyan port police
> officers and law enforcers had not provided effective assistance in
> resolving the conflict, the captain of the ship, a Ukrainian citizen,
> had brought the ship out of the port at the order of the ship's owner,
> with Libyan policemen and unauthorized persons remaining on board. The
> cargo is also on board the ship.According to the Ukrainian Embassy in
> Greece, the Strofades IV arrived in the Greek port of Piraeus,
> informing the Greek coast guard of the situation."The Greek
> authorities have no claims to the Ukrainian part of the crew, but
> during the investigation into this case Greek law enforcers questioned
> the captain (a citizen of Ukraine) and the owner (a citizen of Greece)
> as witnesses. The Greek side opened a criminal case over the situation
> with the loading of the Strofades IV and the presence of unauthorized
> persons on board the ship," Dykusarov said.He also noted that Road to
> Hope's representatives considered actions by the crew to be unlawful.


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